Interview on Systemic Work with Sarah Peyton

ISCA interview with Sarah Peyton

In preparation of this year's gathering of the International Systemic Constellations Association, I'm doing short interviews with systemic coaches, trainers, presenters, and frontrunners in the constellations field.


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So I'm sitting here with Sarah Peyton, who is working in the systemic work field for 10 years.

Yes, for 10 years!

Well, the first question I always have with the different people. There's one thing I think we have in common –how to define constellations work. And so my question is: What does it mean to you? And how do you actually explain it so that people actually start to maybe grasp some of it.

Yes, I say that constellations is a way to take the inner experience and bring it into the outer world so that it can be seen and touched and smelled and kind of worked with. Things that we never expected that we could bring into the outer world and look at together with other people –past experiences, present worries, future anticipations. How are we with ourselves? And how can we make this into the 3Ds so that it can move and bring us surprises that we'd never expected?

So, with regards to surprises and unexpected things, I think also I'm very curious how you see the wider community and how you feel connected to that?

Oh, well, here we are, at the international intensive in Kochel am See and this is a week when I feel so grateful to be part of this community. This particular intensive brings together people who are completely new to the work and people who have been working in our many of our institutes in their countries, as part of the participant pool. So we have such an incredible sense of being contributed to with new wisdom and old wisdom and developing theories. And I'm so nourished internationally by my colleagues and their work.

You're based where?

I'm based in the United States.

Where about?

In Southern Washington in the Pacific North West.

So, if you look at the development of the field, it has been around for a while now, I still think it has not really grown up yet, there's some adolescents there, that actually do some really good stuff, [yet]: What would you say, if there is one invitation you could make to the wider community of systemic workers, facilitators, trainers, and coaches? What would be in invitation to be more or less like? What would you like the community to be? Maybe a little bit more or a little bit less like? What would you invite other constellators to explore?

I actually don't have an invitation for other constellators. I think that's one of the fun things about this work, that "Whatever happens is just right." So there's not a better way to do things. There are some people who work in a very structured way and some people who work in a very emergent way. I enjoy that both exist. It's almost like any client, anyone who has an issue could find someone who would be right for them.

Of course, I like the approach, not wanting something else. But sometimes we also feel a need for something for ourselves, even when it's met or not met. So I'm curious...

What do I like personally?

Yes, what do you like personally?

This is not an invitation to my colleagues. I most love emergence! I most love emergence! I love it when there's an invitation for the representatives to be able to bring whatever is stirring for them. I love the way the community wisdom comes out of that. I love the way that things, completely unexpected, for what the facilitator has in mind, emerges. When the constellation work is emergent, I have most sense of being in touch with what the field is bringing. And also, back to surprises again, I'm so surprised! Yeah. Yeah.

So maybe, I like to always ask the last question, which we are sort of already almost there: What are you really particularly excited about in the field, that you say like: "Well, that is like a trend, or something I see emerging, that actually surprises me in a very pleasant way!"

Oh, interesting! Well, I love my work, which is bringing neuroscience in and thinking about neuroscience especially when we are working with trauma. It's so settling and transformative for people to understand that they are not their body, that they are not their brain patterns, that they are something beyond that. And that we all share similar brain patterns. There's huge shifts that occur in people's capacity to hold themselves with warmth once they begin to have the experience that they are not this [Sarah points at her body] but that they can hold this with great and ever generous warmth.

Allright, thank you so much!

Thank you very much!

See you later!

Okay, goodbye Oscar!

Goodbye Sarah!


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